In America, No One Should Go Without Health Care »
Posted by: engineer 11 months, 3 weeks ago216 Comments Report this Story
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LordyLordy11 months, 3 weeks ago
There was a doctor recently fired from a large medical facility. He complained that if you were here illegally (Mexico and other places) and you went to the hospital they would treat you with no questions asked, but if you happened to be unemployed, without insurance, or homeless, they would turn you away. When he complained about their policy he was I'm told told to shut up or he would be terminated. He went to the news reporters....he is now without a job.
The dirty little secret the hospitals don't want to tell you about? If you're illegal its fine...come on in? But everyone else who does not have insurance, hit the road jack? You can bet the taxpayers are footing the bill somewhere in all of this. Don't just believe it isn't being done...check it out. I have insurance and have been denied access to some hospitals.
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HistoricallyCorrect11 months, 3 weeks ago
It's shameful. I don't know how anybody could be against healing people and saving their lives. Making people pay for that, in my opinion, is as bad as murder.
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ghengisghan11 months, 3 weeks ago
NO one goes withoutmedical care in America...go to ANY er and you get helped whether you can pay or not , whether you here legally or not. Health care is not a Right.
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mjw202511 months, 3 weeks ago
If it is the right of someone to have health care then it is your obligation to pay for it. I'm sure that you don't have a problem giving up a large piece of your pay check to help someone do you? It shouldn't be a problem denying a few things that your kids might want or trying to keep that old car going a few more years.
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camilleyun11 months, 3 weeks ago
Uhh..what?
So if I go to ANY E.R., I can get my tubes tied or have a cavity filled?
Health care is not limited to emergency situations.
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TOtheMOON11 months, 3 weeks ago
"go to ANY er and you get helped"
It is true that all people - including uninsured - can get help at an ER. But they will first be evaluated for the seriousness of their illness. If it is an emergency, that person gets immediate care, is stablized, and if uninsured, is either sent to a 'county' hospital, or if the county hospital is full, they are sent home. So long as they aren't dying at that moment - it is okay to do this.
If you aren't an emergency, you will be rerouted to a 'free' clinic.
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ghengisghan11 months, 3 weeks ago
What I see here are a bunch of people who feel they are entitled to pick my pocket to pay their bills. These are the same people that RUN to the lawyers office when the doctor or hospital doesnt meet their expectations and someone is left crippled or dies. The lawyers make money, the "victim" might get some but then the rest of us get screwed by having ever higher medical cost.
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mesodude11 months, 3 weeks ago
"Health care is not a Right."
Education is a right so why shouldn't healthcare be as well? Why do the very people who can recite abortion statistics backwards and forward then balk, cringe and whip out their taxpayer dollar calculators when it comes time to protect and save the lives of people after their born? I'll never understand this.
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jaern11 months, 3 weeks ago
I have a feeling if you lost your health care benefits, you'd be crying the loudest on how health care should be a right.
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cherev11 months, 3 weeks ago
I agree that no one should be without adequate health care. I also think that everyone should pay their own way. But if they can't, then the LDL's can pay for it since they care so much about everyone's health care.
What a crock of manure. The LDL's are using this as an issue. Everyone deserves adequate health care. Translation? I have to foot the bill for someone else, but I have no say in how that person maintains their own health.
Moreover, Health Care is only a piece of the equation. Americans smoke too much, eat too much, drink too much, take too many drugs, and don't exercise enough. LDL's aren't concerned about American wellness - they just want to use the issue of "Health Care" to make political points.
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engineer11 months, 3 weeks ago
Cherev I know I care and am a regular volunteer. It's not enough. When the American public is extorted in every angle of health care, many cannot afford it or it puts such strain on those who can. you must be one of the ruthless super rich. You and your kind have just demonstrated how self centered you are. there are more people in the world than you. I hope you realize that one day.
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cherev11 months, 3 weeks ago
"When the American public is extorted in every angle of health care,"
How are we "extorted in every angle of health care"? Walking is free.
"many cannot afford it or it puts such strain on those who can."
Life is tough. Why must I pay for someone else when I have absolutely no say in how they take care of themselves.
"you must be one of the ruthless super rich."
Get a life, Engineer - I work for a living. At best, I'm middle class.
"You and your kind have just demonstrated how self centered you are."
My kind? The ones who want to keep the money they earn?
"there are more people in the world than you.
Thank you for acknowledging I'm a human being. I contribute to charity frequently. That's my choice. I don't take your money from you and give it to my charity.
"I hope you realize that one day."
I have no hope for you at all.
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quackpot11 months, 3 weeks ago
cherev,
If you have insurance, you ARE paying for each of these items that you list.
If you do not have insurance, you are either VERY rich or you will, at some point in your life be asking us to pay for your bills.
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Radiofreeeuropa11 months, 3 weeks ago
"To promote the general welfare of the nation".
Ask any Dr. how insurance companies calling the shots has worked out. Why do we need to have third wheels dictating how health care is administered based on their own profitability?
Ya got 500 billion to blow in Iraq? But the general welfare of your own country? Nah.
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walden311 months, 3 weeks ago
remember when hillary tried to address the healthcare crisis almost 20 years ago and was torpedoed by the "harry and louise" commercial, insurers and providers?
almost 20 years later, howz that republican plan working out for ya? it ain't because when the interests of the power brokers are threatened they have no predilection about scaring the bejesus out of us to maintain those interests. we can be so stupid. fear rules.
"The couple, 40-something suburbanites fretting about big changes in health care in an advertising campaign for the Health Insurance Association of America, are now widely viewed as one of the most effective attacks to date on the Clinton health plan. To the Administration and its allies, the ads symbolize an industry desperately fighting change."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=... Topics/People/C/Clinton, Bill
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hamy11 months, 3 weeks ago
Medicine should not be a for profit business. Insurance companies are making a killing off of our illnesses.
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cherev11 months, 3 weeks ago
"Medicine should not be a for profit business."
Why not?
"Insurance companies are making a killing off of our illnesses."
No pun intended? You have a choice. Pay your own way.
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BronxBomber11 months, 3 weeks ago
What about those who can't pay they're own way? cherev? Should we just toss them aside to feed to the lions then? & who are you to interpret on how people should live? Live and let live dude.
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hamy11 months, 3 weeks ago
I hope that in your later years, you don't have insurance so that you can go through what my parents have had to go through.
My father has Alzheimers and he hasn't been able to work for 5 years now. 8 years ago my father lost his job (cutbacks) and they had to blow through all of their savings. They had nothing. They are 70 and broke. We had to beg Medicaid for 3 years to help pay the $180,000 doctor bills. My Dad, who put so much money into Social Security and Medicaid that they could never pay him back, now has to beg to get money out of it.
I hope you get to beg for someone to help take care of you too.
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nowsourcing11 months, 3 weeks ago
The rich can afford health care with or without insurance and the poor qualify for (public) subsidized health care, in the system that stands now.
A defining measure of membership in the middle class is access to partially subsidized (private, employer based) health care benefits. I agree that it would an improvement to the system and protective for the members of the middle class to be able to obtain health care outside of an employer based health insurance system. However, I find that public subsidized health care is a benefit for poor people, not the rich nor the middle class.
The choice our company provides for our employees and for myself is the Health Savings Account (HSA): a tax-advantaged medical savings account available to taxpayers w/ a High Deductible Health Plan. It provides a balance of insurance options with personal responsibility.
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cherev11 months, 3 weeks ago
Forget it, nowsourcing....the LDL's only want to use "health care" as an issue, and call you all kinds of names if you don't want to foot the bill for everyone else. They hate that others make money and don't want to pay. They have no clue about how insurance works, nor do they want to know.
All they're interested in is slogans.
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aceofspades111 months, 3 weeks ago
Cherev - you brag as to hard you work - I assume that you are either - self employed & if so do you report all your income?
Or else you work for a company that gives overtime, if so what happens when the overtime runs out? or you get laid off or your pension plan goes down the tubes.
Or else you work in the public sector & you are milking the overtime at my expense & all you benefits are at my expense.
Any way you cut it I'll be paying for you somewhere down the line & when I do you can kiss my ass
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Harbeas11 months, 3 weeks ago
We pay taxes which should be used for the well being of Americans. We should have health coverage for every American and it should be free. If we would stop going to war and spending billions on war materials, stop throwing money away to foreign countries, etc. There are so many things we cound discontinue doing and easily save enough money to pay for universal health care. We have some 48 million people without health car insurance. Our life expectancy is 40th in the world! Think about that. There is 39 other countries in the world where their people have a longer life expectancy than us. Don't sugar coat this by saying we are too fat, we eat terrible, and have a sedentary life style. so do the other countries!
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Obaku11 months, 3 weeks ago
Or, we can just euthanize everyone over 70, and solve the whole problem at once. Because that is where the biggest chunk of change goes.
Maybe you would like to be in charge of determining who is acceptably 'taking care of themselves' and who is not? Who is productive enough to deserve haelth care, and who is not?
I can get you Xylon B at wholesale.
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ningyo11 months, 3 weeks ago
hillary-care didnt need attack ads to sink it..she did that all on her own by totally over-complicating and making an enormous SECRET mess of it--its what spawned all these awful HMO's and plans that no american MD will be a part of--i know quite a few doctors and none of them will take any sort of insurance--and lets be honest and call it what it is..socialized medicine..which is a complete failure wherever its tried--sure the care is free..but you have to wait forever to get that free care--the schips plan is another step in this direction..a bad one--i love the way the lib/dem talk about "free" universal healthcare--someone has to pay for it
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