G-8 Offers $60B to Combat AIDS in Africa »
Posted by: STONERS 1 year, 2 months agoGermany's development minister said Friday the Group of Eight member states had agreed on a program worth more than $60 billion to combat the spread of HIV/AIDs in Africa.
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Mowens19841 year, 2 months ago
Wow, whoever sinks this has no heart at all.
I've been to Africa (Kenya mostly) and seen the suffering of those who can't do anything about the situations they are in.
Shame on anyone who discourages this good-hearted action.
Of course the only problem is making sure it goes to help the people and not further the corrupt agenda of their government. It's sad to see the huge buildings gov't officals work and live in and then to see the "main" streets that haven't been paved in 30 years.
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Mowens19841 year, 2 months ago
WC, giving you negative remarks has nothing to do with that. I said I like debate, but I don't appreciate being attacked for my beliefs. That isn't healthy debate and it doesn't prove your point or help the discussion.
You never share your opinion or even combat mine, you simply post after everything I say and tell me I'm wrong and a complete idiot for believing what I do... that isn't what the forums are intended for.
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UBCONFUSE1 year, 2 months ago
Hey Stoners. In poor countries, what does a bag of corn meal labled "A gift from the USA" lead to; Answer, a full belly and an erection.
Jump forward 9 months. ask the same question- same answer times more and more and more and more people who have chopped down every tree without a guard, killed every animal not in a park. Land fills are now the grocery store for large numbers of people. Life is a daily torture chamber for millions of people.
Who caused all this? We did to a large degree by sticking our benevolent noses in other people's business. Africa is a giant failure in leadership, morals and social habits. The worst thing that ever happen to Africa was for white people to show up. If whites and Arabs had avoided Africa like the plague, Africa would be a healthy happy place of hunter gathers.
The West needs to mind it's own business and let nature correct the problems there. Stop the guns and the medicine.
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Mowens19841 year, 2 months ago
I find it hard to believe that if you were in their place that you would reject help. Africa has dug it's own grave through it's politics but that's no reason to have a 'to hell with them' sort of approach to their plight.
I've worked in medical clinics in Nairobi and Matoomba and people beg and claw at us for aid. And you say they don't want or need it?
Maybe staying out to begin with would have been best, but that's in the past. I really don't believe sitting back and doing nothing helps anyone.
Have some compassion.
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CrazyRay1 year, 2 months ago
Why? They haven't made any progress with the money we give them, why give more?
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Dionys1 year, 2 months ago
How long until Bush attaches "abstinence only" conditions to the US contribution, I wonder.
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Neophile1 year, 2 months ago
Teaching everyone not to have sex (aka teaching them not to be human) is not a feasible solution. It is a policy driven more by ideology than by health concerns.
Just a couple of weeks ago, Uganda's AIDS Commissioner announced that HIV infections have nearly doubled over the past 2 years, despite Bush's $1 billion effort to spread the word about abstinence there.
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Dionys1 year, 2 months ago
I agree that abstinence would be the ideal solution in terms of what people could embrace. It'd be great. Unfortunately it's also a religiously based ideology. Not everyone agrees that abstinence is what everyone should embrace before a monogamous marriage.
The only thing that has been *proven* to work is safe-sex education. If you want to pair it with Abstinence first ideology, fine. I'm all for that as long as you also educate people who aren't necc. fundamentalist Christians as to how to engage in sex that won't end up killing everyone.
In addition, it'd be nice for the US to step up in places like Darfur to say "enough is enough" with the mass murders, warlords, continuous rape, &c. I know there's no oil there, but still...
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CrazyRay1 year, 2 months ago
Abstinence = a good way of combatting the spreading of AIDS and births of AIDS babies
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djrevelky1 year, 2 months ago
Hmm...$60Billion down the drain. All of it will go to sex education and none of it force governments to quit telling lies about it. As long as they think you can cure AIDS by having sex with a virgin there will be an AIDS epidemic.
Instead of teaching about monogamy they will teach about condoms. Same boring stuff.
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invest071 year, 2 months ago
Our dollars will go to a bunch of corrupt dictators and warlords. And the affect of p*ssing away all this money will be zero.
Only after the money is spent these dictators and thugs will scream for more.
And the sucker Libs in this country will be stupid enough to want to send them more.
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invest071 year, 2 months ago
Africa is not our problem.
Every Lib I talk to says that Africa's problems were caused by European colonialism. So we should leave Africa to the Europeans to solve.
We have enough problems of our own.
Don't send them a dime of our tax dollars.
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hamy1 year, 2 months ago
Iraq isn't our problem either but we pi***d away $1 trillion dollars there. $60 billion is nothing.
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djrevelky1 year, 2 months ago
I find it amazing that we spend $60 billion in Iraq while we have Americans who cannot afford healthcare and our education system is horribly underfunded.
Don't you libs always want free healthcare for everyone in the US? If we would stop with this BS foreign aid money that just props up corrupt governments we could afford to give EVERYONE free healthcare without raising taxes.
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invest071 year, 2 months ago
hamy
So let me get this straight:
60 BILLION dollars is nothing.
Over my entire working life (34 years so far) I have paid around $150,000 to the IRS. This averages $4411/year. So this pittance to Africa only takes the annual federal taxes of 13,600,000 Americans.
The bill for the Iraq war is atrocious but we haven't been attacked since it began.
If this money would actually do any good, I might feel differently about spending the money. But this will go straight in the pockets of dictators and warlords. And the net result of this money will be zero new cases prevented.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 2 months ago
invest07: Africa is your problem,where do you think 20% of your oil comes from,and don't worry you will be involved in Sudan soon, can't let the Chinese have that oil
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BOMANI071 year, 2 months ago
AFRICA IS NOT DYING OF AIDS... is the title of a new article appearing in the prestigious London Spectator newspaper. Read in detail of the failure of the horrendous AIDS Pandemic to have any negative impact on African populations from newly-introduced killer STD's. Read the full story...
http://www.whatisaids.com/rollingstone.htm
http://www.libtv.com/7MAC/investigations/index.htm
Despite the overwhelming amount of propaganda to the contrary, a mass of available evidence shows that what most of us have been told about HIV and AIDS is not real science. In this book on AIDS The Establishment Confesses it's a Hoax! Can we get real and examin the facts for once?
http://www.libtv.com/7MAC/media/AIDS_Hoax_excer...
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aniokly1 year, 2 months ago
Guess where 50 million of the sixty million dollars will come from? If you said the American taxpayer you are correct. Will it prevent AIDS? Absolutely not. Will any of it make its way to the AIDs patients? Not a penny. Will they come crying for another fifty million dollars next year, you bet. They have found a new cash cow.
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aceofspades11 year, 2 months ago
Peter Benchly, the author of Jaws was an advocate of benign interference in the life threatening problems such as disease, starvation etc, that plague many parts of the world. His justification for this philosophy is that it is just natural population control in areas that would not do it for themselves or were outgrowing their ability to sustain their populaces on their own.
Not a very altruistic philosophy, but one that works .
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aceofspades11 year, 2 months ago
boman said
Despite the overwhelming amount of propaganda to the contrary, a mass of available evidence shows that what most of us have been told about HIV and AIDS is not real science. In this book on AIDS The Establishment Confesses it's a Hoax! Can we get real and examin the facts for once?
I AM SICK TO SH*T of all the posters who, because they read an article somewhere they become the greatest scientists on earth & cast doubt on years of scientific research by qualified people.
This applies to global warming WTC conspiracies, this crap Boman repeats.
Just pick & choose the scientific facts that you wish - & go on living in Wonderland.
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FRICKANDFRACK1 year, 2 months ago
So easy for our "altruistic" leaders to confiscate my property and give it to their favorite charities yet again,and I have to ask where in our Constitution can they point to any article that gives them this right.If our esteemed humanitarians want to raise money for their charity of choice hold a telethon but leave my money alone and I will decide on the charities I support.
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FRICKANDFRACK1 year, 2 months ago
"I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity. [To approve the measure] would be contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon which the Union of these States is founded."
-- President Franklin Pierce's 1854 veto of a measure to help the mentally ill.
In 1794, when Congress appropriated $15,000 for relief of French refugees who fled from insurrection in San Domingo to Baltimore and Philadelphia, James Madison stood on the floor of the House to object saying, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
-- James Madison, 4 Annals of congress 179 (1794)
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FRICKANDFRACK1 year, 2 months ago
"I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit."
-- President Grover Cleveland vetoing a bill for charity relief (18 Congressional Record 1875 [1877]
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Sideways_281 year, 2 months ago
dionys, abstinence is not necessarily a religious ideoligy, monogamy and abst. before marriage are but not just abstinence. as for the scientific proof of safe sex, well, that's not all that scientific, but abstinence is with out a doubt the best choice for the stop of spreading the virus. In Africa and the U.S.
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nostalgia1 year, 2 months ago
Many groups and international agencies are distributing condoms in Africa. What they have failed to do is adequate education and getting tribal elders to understand the importance. Condom use runs counter to the common taboos and customs in many tribes - they simply throw away the free condoms
An Australian study done to look at the links between circumcision and AIDS also turned up an interesting statistic
A group of HIV researchers strongly argue that the major cause of HIV infection in Africa is unsafe health care, especially non-sterile injections. They have published letters and articles in the HIV/AIDS medical literature to build their case. Only about 30% of the HIV epidemic in Africa would be attributed to heterosexual contacts. Most are caused by unsafe medical procedures. If their hypothesis is correct, then a large number of studies (trying to prove that intact men with normal anatomy are the reason for the high incidence of HIV infection in Africa) would be invalidated.
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Bixx1 year, 2 months ago
Aids is a disease that effects everyone. What many ppl do not understand is the Govt in Africa. The Govt itself does nothing to Aid in the prevention of Aids or HIV. The people rely on outside private non-profits to come in and educate, test, offer drugs. The disease is rampamnt in Africa. Aids " No Question" needs attention where it be Africa or America. Aids has no boundries. Anything that projects " Hope and Effort" is a positive to this war - unsung.
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